Predestined?

It has been said, in Scripture, that God (the Creator) has (immutably?) promised certain things to humanity, like He will never again destroy the surface of planet Earth with a global flood:

Genesis 9:11 "I establish my covenant with you, that never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of a flood, and never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth."
Genesis 9:15 "I will remember my covenant which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh."

. . . and the Bible states (in Titus 1:2) that God either does not lie or cannot lie:

2 (RSV) in hope of eternal life which God, who never lies, promised ages ago
2 (Douay) Unto the hope of life everlasting, which God, who lieth not, hath promised before the times of the world:
2 (JB2000) for the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before the times of the ages
2 (KJ21) in hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before the world began,
2 (NKJV) in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,
2 (VULGATE) in spem vitae aeternae quam promisit qui non mentitur Deus ante tempora saecularia
2 (YLT) upon hope of life age-during, which God, who doth not lie, did promise before times of ages

Logically, if it is true that God will not lie, He thus (by default and common-sense consequence) cannot lie (not: "anymore" but even: ever).

What else cannot God therefore do?

He cannot (because He will not) give His rulership throne over to His created being Lucifier/Satan.
He cannot (because He will not) go out of existence.

And does God like to gamble - not knowing the outcome?

Does He know not merely what He Himself will choose to do with His free will, but also know what each of His free-willed human creatures will choose to do pertaining to choosing either good or bad -- which humans are quite dissimilar to simply instincts-only-driven stimulus-and-response-reaction lower life forms?

Why does the end of chapter one of the Old-Testament book of Genesis state that "God saw everything He had made, and it was very good" -- which all included His creating and imposing both the wicked seducing Serpent Tempter and the dangerous-and-ultimately-lethally-poisonous Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil?

Why did God even suggest to innocent-and-sinless Eve the concept of "death" - being that she perhaps had absolutely no idea what that meant in its fullest sordid sense and horrible far-reaching ramifications?

It is obvious that knowing what someone else will choose with their free will before they choose (if that is possible) . . . and forcing them to choose either good or bad (which, in one sense, is impossible pertaining to their sovereign intrinsic intention, not their coerced-by-outside-duress-and-tyranny words and actions) . . . are two different things.

To guess that something might go bad, given pre-imposed stumbling blocks, is not the same as assuredly and absolutely knowing that it will go bad no matter what.

So what exactly did God expect and have in mind either regarding or concerning Eve and Adam, given their pre-existing-conditions environment which He put them into and confined them therein?

Do you believe in forced marriage?

That certainly does not jive with:

Philemon 1:14 . . . but I preferred to do nothing without your consent in order that your goodness might not be by compulsion but of your own free will.

But does God Himself condone mandatory duty or obligation to marry or remain married to someone you have never liked, do not now like, and/or probably will never like?

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
4 even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless in His presence.
5 He destined us in love to be His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of His will,
6 to the praise of His glorious grace which He freely bestowed on us in The Beloved.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
8 which He lavished upon us.
9 For He has made known to us in all wisdom and insight the mystery of His will, according to His purpose which He set forth in Christ
10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Him [ keeping in mind that Great Non-Passable Chasm between Paradise and Hades, Heaven and Hell -- where instead of unification The Judge intends eternal segregation and separation of the wicked away from the righteous ], things in heaven and things on earth.
11 In Him, according to His purpose who accomplishes all things according to the counsel of His will,
12 we who first hoped in Christ have been destined and appointed to live for the praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also, who have heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and have believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
14 which is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of His glory.

Do verses 4 and 5 above essentially imply forced marriage or obedience or allegiance to God, notably if such is against our freewill and contrary to what we personally want to do ourselves for ourselves by ourselves?

Verse 12 is quite different, because it definitely infers that there are those who, in response to God's blessings benevolently bestowed on them, both recognize and appreciate those blessings, plus "hope in Christ" and so they are therefore logically "destined" and "appointed" to "live for the praise of [ God's ] glory (that is, the Lord's glory - not their own glory, nor the glory of someone else other than themselves besides God, nor Satan's glory, etc.).

Is such a [ "rape-like?" ] commandeering or conquest [ "imposed?" ] by [ "the Creator-God of non-solicited non-wanted non-first-asked-for Divine Spam?" ] -- not wanted by the immoral majority (as expressed in various types and degrees of their subtle dislike, more obvious irritation, and even hostile disgust at times) -- indicated by the previous or following verses . . . in which the inevitably-"predestined" purposes and will of God usurp, take control, and trump the purposes and will of ourselves, and/or any other being besides ourselves God excluded (like Satan or illegal aliens from outer space or wherever)?

[ After all, neither Adam nor Eve asked to be created, nor put into the environment with the limited and finite parameters and characteristics they were placed into and confined within, nor did God first get permission from Adam or Eve to create them, yes? ]

But, in the estimation and evaluation of a very small but significant minority of humans who lived, now live, and will live . . . is it instead: "not bad" (and/or: "could be much worse!") or: "not that bad" -- as they see it:

Nehemiah 9:7 You are the LORD, the God who did choose Abram and bring him out of Ur of the Chaldeans and give him the name Abraham

Psalm 16:4 Those who choose another god multiply their sorrows; their libations of blood I will not pour out or take their names upon my lips.
25:12 Who is the man who fears the LORD? Him will He instruct in the way that he should choose.
65:4 Blessed is he whom you do choose and bring near, to reside in your courts! We shall be satisfied with the goodness of your house, your holy temple!
78:67 He rejected the tent of Joseph, he did not choose the tribe of Ephraim

Proverbs 1:29 Because they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the LORD,
30 would have none of my counsel, and despised all my reproof,
31 therefore they shall eat the fruit of their way and be sated with their own devices.
32 For the gullible are killed by their turning away, and the complacence of fools destroys them;
33 but he who listens to me will reside secure and will be at ease, without dread of evil.

Proverbs 3:31 Do not envy a man of violence and do not choose any of his ways

Isaiah 7:15 He shall eat curds and honey when he knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good.
Isaiah 7:16 For before the child knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land before whose two kings you are in dread will be deserted.
Isaiah 14:1 The LORD will have compassion on Jacob and will again choose Israel, and will set them in their own land, and aliens will join them and will cleave to the house of Jacob.

Isaiah 56:4 For thus says the LORD: "To the eunuchs who keep my sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant,
Isaiah 56:5 I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name which shall not be cut off.
Isaiah 56:6 And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, to minister to Him, to love the name of the LORD, and to be His servants, every one who keeps the sabbath, and does not profane it, and holds fast my covenant . . .
Isaiah 56:7 these I will bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

Isaiah 58:5 Is such the fast that I choose, a day for a man to humble himself? Is it to bow down his head like a rush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? Will you call this a fast, and a day acceptable to the LORD?
Isaiah 58:6 Is not this the fast that I choose: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the thongs of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke?
Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose affliction for them, and bring their fears upon them; because, when I called, no one answered, when I spoke they did not listen; but they did what was evil in my eyes, and chose that in which I did not delight.

Jeremiah 33:25 Thus says the LORD: "If I have not established my covenant with day and night and the ordinances of heaven and earth,
Jeremiah 33:26 then I will reject the descendants of Jacob and David my servant and will not choose one of his descendants to rule over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For I will restore their fortunes, and will have mercy upon them."

Jeremiah 50:44 Hey, like a lion coming up from the jungle of the Jordan against a strong sheepfold, I will suddenly make them run away from her; and I will appoint over her whomever I choose. For who is like me? Who will summon me? What shepherd can stand before me?

Zechariah 1:17 Shout again: Thus says the LORD of hosts: "My cities shall again overflow with prosperity, and the LORD will again comfort Zion and again choose Jerusalem."
Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land, and will again choose Jerusalem.

John 6:70 Jesus answered them, "Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?" [ Reminds me of God choosing to impose The Serpent in The Garden, along with the lethal-and-poisonous "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil therein ]
John 15:16 "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should stay around; so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, He will give it to you."

Getting back to what might initially seem involuntary and coercive entrapment and enslavement to obey and love that Creator God who has chosen us without first asking our permission alluded to in some of the previous Scripture above . . .

It is clear from the totality of the contents of the entire Bible, and from our own observation of recent historical and news records, that there have been many humans who have misused their free will to not hope nor live in the predestiny of salvation which God perhaps intended for them.

"Perhaps" because Scripture indicates that God does not [ at least in one sense, or sometimes ] predestine or intend everyone to obey and love and worship Him:

First Peter 2:7 To you therefore who believe, He is precious, but for those who do not believe, "The very stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner,"
8 and "A stone that will make men stumble, a rock that will make them fall"; for they stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.
9 But you are a chosen seed, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, that you may declare the wonderful works of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
10 Once you were no people but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy but now you have received mercy.

Are homosexuals "born that way?" Rather than imposing that after-the-fact question, the more basic query is: "Are homosexuals conceived homosexuals?"

Is that what God predestined them for? If so, could those would-have-been homosexuals have then decided and chosen to not do the homosexuality God predestined them for and instead be totally heterosexual?

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live

First Timothy 2:3 This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
First Timothy 2:4 who desires all humans to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Can, or (better yet, should) God be blamed for either predestining certain people to be homosexuals, or rapists, or murders, or lewd-and-lascivious/public-nuisance, indecently-clad, public exhibitionists baring female-human mopheadedness, nude arms exposed by sleeveslessness, naked legs exposed by shortened skirts or shorts or "swimwear" (not frogman suits) or slackslessness, or parts of soxless bared feet in noisy attention-getting flipflop sandals?

Job 34:4 Let us choose what is right; let us determine among ourselves what is good.
5 For Job has said, 'I am innocent, and God has taken away my right;
6 in spite of my right I am counted a liar; my wound is incurable, though I am without transgression.'
7 What human is like Job, who drinks up scoffing like water,
8 who goes in company with evildoers and walks with wicked humans?
9 For he has said, 'It profits a human nothing that he/she takes delight in God.'
10 Therefore, hear me, you men of understanding, far be it from God that He should do wickedness, and from the Almighty that He should do wrong.
11 For according to the work of a human He will requite him/her, and according to his/her ways He will make it befall him/her.
12 Of a truth, God will not do wickedly, and the Almighty will not pervert justice.
13 Who gave Him charge over the earth and who laid on Him the whole world?
14 If He would take back His spirit to himself, and gather to Himself His breath,
15 all flesh would perish together, and humans would return to dust.
16 If you have understanding, hear this; listen to what I say.
17 Shall one who hates justice govern? Will you condemn Him who is righteous and mighty,
18 who says to a king, 'Worthless one,' and to nobles, 'Wicked man';
19 who shows no partiality to princes, nor regards the rich more than the poor, for they are all the work of His hands?
20 In a moment they die [ not Him! ]; at midnight the people are shaken and pass away [ and people - not God - are then dead ], and the mighty are taken away by no human hand.
21 For his eyes are upon the ways of a man/woman, and He sees all his/her steps.
22 There is no gloom or deep darkness where evildoers may hide themselves.
23 For He has not appointed [no mutually-agreed-upon scheduled reservation] a time for any man/woman to go before God in judgment.
24 He shatters the mighty without [ pre-announced ] investigation, and sets others in their place.
25 Thus, knowing their works, He overturns them in the night, and they [ not Him ] are crushed.
26 He strikes them for their wickedness in the sight of humans,
27 because they turned aside from following Him, and had no regard for any of His ways,
28 so that they caused the cry of the poor to come to Him, and He heard the cry of the afflicted--
29 When He is quiet, who can condemn? When He hides his face, who can detect Him, whether it be a nation or a human? . . .
30 that a godless man should not reign, that he should not ensnare the people.
31 For has any one said to God, 'I have borne chastisement; I will not offend any more;
32 teach me what I do not see; if I have done iniquity, I will do it no more'?
33 Will He then make requital to suit you, because you reject it? For you must choose, and not I; therefore declare what you know.
34 Men of understanding will say to me, and the wise man who hears me will say:
35 'Job speaks without knowledge, his words are without insight.'
36 Would that Job were tried to the end, because he answers like wicked humans.
37 For he adds rebellion to his sin; he claps his hands among us, and multiplies his words against God.'

Job 35:1 And Elihu said:
2 Do you think this to be just? Do you say, 'It is my right before God,'
3 that you ask, 'What advantage have I? How am I better off than if I had sinned?'
4 I will answer you and your friends with you.
5 Look at the heavens, and see; and consider the clouds, which are higher than you.
6 If you have sinned, what do you accomplish against Him? And if your transgressions are multiplied, what do you do to Him?
7 If you are righteous, what do you give to Him; or what does He receive from your hand?
8 Your wickedness concerns a man/woman like yourself, and your righteousness a son/daughter of humans.
9 Because of the multitude of oppressions people cry out; they call for help because of the arm of the mighty.
10 But none says, 'Where is God my Maker, who gives songs in the night,
11 who teaches us more than the beasts of the earth, and makes us wiser than the birds of the air?'
12 There they cry out, but He does not answer, because of the pride of evil humans.
13 Surely God does not hear an empty cry, nor does the Almighty regard it.
14 How much less when you say that you do not see Him, that the case is before Him, and you are waiting for Him!
15 And now, because His anger does not punish, and He does not greatly pay attention to transgression,
16 Job opens his mouth in empty talk, he multiplies words without knowledge."

Job 36:5 Hey, God is mighty, and does not despise any; He is mighty in strength of understanding.
6 He does not keep the wicked alive, but gives the afflicted their right.
7 He does not withdraw his eyes from the righteous, but with kings upon the throne he sets them forever, and they are exalted.
8 And if they are bound in fetters and caught in the cords of affliction,
9 then He declares to them their work and their transgressions, that they are behaving arrogantly.
10 He opens their ears to instruction, and commands that they return from wickedness.
11 If they accommodate and serve Him, they complete their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasantness.
12 But if they do not positively respond, they perish by the sword, and die without knowledge.
13 The godless in heart cherish anger; they do not cry for help when He binds them.
14 They die in youth, and their life ends in shame [among the cult prostitutes].
22 Hey, God is exalted in his power; who is a teacher like Him?
23 Who has prescribed for Him His way, or who can say, 'You have done wrong'?

Psalm 115:3 Our God is in the heavens; he does whatever he pleases.

Romans 9:10 And not only so, but also when Rebecca had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac,
11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad, in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of His call,
12 she was told, "The elder will serve the younger."
13 As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means!
15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
16 So it depends not upon human will or exertion, but upon God's mercy.
17 For the scripture says to Pharaoh, "I have raised you up for the very purpose of showing my power in you, so that my name may be proclaimed in all the earth."
18 So then He has mercy upon whomever He wills, and He hardens the heart of whomever He wills.
19 You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist His will?"
20 But who are you, a man, to talk back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me so?"
21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for beauty and another for menial use?
22 What if God, desiring to show His wrath and to make known His power, has endured with much patience the vessels of wrath made for destruction,
23 in order to make known the riches of His glory for the vessels of mercy, which He has prepared beforehand for glory,
24 even us whom He has called, not from the Jews only but also from the nations?
25 As indeed He says in Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,' and her who was not beloved I will call 'my beloved.'"
26 "And in the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' they will be called 'sons of the living God.'"
27 And Isaiah shouts out concerning (and not "regarding") Israel: "Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved;
28 for the Lord will execute His sentence upon the earth with rigor and promptness."
29 And as Isaiah predicted, "If the Lord of hosts had not left us children, we would have fared like Sodom and been made like Gomorrah."
30 What shall we say, then? That nations who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, righteousness through faith;
31 but that Israel who pursued the righteousness which is based on law did not succeed in fulfilling that law.
32 Why? Because they did not pursue it through [dependance upon God] faith, but as if it were based on [dependence upon human] works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone,
33 as it is written, "Hey, I am laying in Zion a stone that will make men stumble, a rock that will make them fall; and he who believes in Him will not be put to shame."

Homosexuals and their ilk (who like to cause controversy and dissension between pro-predestination Calvinists vs free-human-choice Baptists) haggle about whether God has destined homosexuals to become and continue to be homosexuals at conception and/or in the womb . . or instead if that is a learned sexual orientation preference imposed from the pro-effeminate/pro-sodomites reacting against adversarially-competitive female bossiness and particularly-during-warm-weather female-human immodesty-of-attire coercive surrounding them.

If the following is true (and it is):

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations."

. . . then perhaps a reverse could be true for the damned-to-be?

"Before I formed you homosexual in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I disqualified and slated you to become a homoqueer; I appointed you a defiling demonic homosexual against the nations."

Predestination, but dependant upon human freewill decisions and freewill choice (as to which way the human deciders and human choosers will go) is not exclusively mentioned in merely the New Testament:

Psalm 78:67 He rejected the tent of Joseph, he did not choose the tribe of Ephraim
Hosea 9:13 Ephraim's sons, as I have seen, are destined for a prey; Ephraim must lead forth his sons to slaughter.

Ephraim's aggregate sins as a tribe must have been grievous, being that they are excluded from the names of the twelve tribes in the New-Testament book of Revelation:

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of the sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand sealed, out of every tribe of the sons of Israel,
5 twelve thousand sealed out of the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand of the tribe of Reuben, twelve thousand of the tribe of Gad,
6 twelve thousand of the tribe of Asher, twelve thousand of the tribe of Naphtali, twelve thousand of the tribe of Manasseh,
7 twelve thousand of the tribe of Simeon, twelve thousand of the tribe of Levi, twelve thousand of the tribe of Issachar,
8 twelve thousand of the tribe of Zebulun, twelve thousand of the tribe of Joseph, twelve thousand sealed out of the tribe of Benjamin.

A remnant of humans have already, in the past, decided to choose to not disobey, but rather obey, the Word of God:

Joshua 24:15 "And if you be not willing to serve the LORD, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you reside; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."

Notice that Saint Peter also spoke of predestination, and even considered not only himself predestined (verse 2) but also Christ and Christ's sufferings (verse 10-11) "destined before the foundation of the world" [ whenever that was ] (verse 20):

First Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia [ that probably includes my and your great+-grandparents, and thus us also ],
2 chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with His blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy we have been born anew to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 and to an inheritance which is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you,
5 who by God's power are guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
10 The prophets who prophesied of the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired about this salvation;
11 they inquired what person or time was indicated by the Spirit of Christ within them when predicting the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glory.
20 He was destined before the foundation of the world but was made manifest at the end of the times for your sake.

So, what is more important, or are both important: God's pre-decided intentions to either save or destroy individuals, and therefore favorably or instead adversely arrange genetics [ to the third and fourth generation ] in fetal conception and growth and birth and external circumstances in the growing human's environment to either" cause him/her to stay good" or instead "cause him or her to go bad?"

Human choice (not necessarily limited as whether or not to commit and not "perform" abortion-homicide) is a vital factor in determining if God's predestined intentions, purposes, and will to save or else lose (whoever He intends, purposes, and wills), actually occurs.

As in any marriage, it "takes two to tango" -- whether one or the other separately wants the [ combined ] tango to be a joyous one in increasing togetherness, or instead a miserable one in decreasing togetherness resulting in increasing separation and isolation away from each other.

And what is the result of us compliant saints choosing to do what God has pre-chosen us to do [ like not choose to commit abortive infanticide ]?

John 15:19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

ADDENDUM

Both Senators Coburn and Risch (as with Huffington Post)
have been using so-called "anti-spam" (but actually anti-response)
black-blotch captchas
which are illegible and non-readable.

Now the pro-abortion-choice pro-homopervert-sodomy-unions-licensing antisemitic
Obama administration under Kenyan-not-Hawaiian-born dictator-in-chief BHO
has conspired against T-Mobile cellphone users, soliciting them to apply for
[ temporary? ] government-subsidized lower monthly cellphone-use rates.

So it's either sell-my-soul-to-the-devil complete disclosure of most everything about my private life
to get financially dependent upon deceiver-in-chief Obamascare-boondoggle-concocter
Obama and his seducing-enslavement-to-welfare conspirators . . .
or stay tried and true to the Lord Jesus and continue to pay T-Mobile the big bucks.

If it isn't one thing, it's another.