There is, almost seamlessly engrained among us, not merely verbatim quotations of satanspeak mis-ideology copied from 'Dale' whose deviant theology is printed below (under the heading of: The Disease).....but reflective also of many others of similarly-apostate ecclesiastical theology which - in a nutshell - could be summarized as:
"What is vital and not trivial trifles and incidentals" is "coming to the Lord, seeking forgiveness and salvation, trusting the Lord, embracing saving [pseudo-]evangelical all-inclusive-grace-through-faith "Christianity" [i.e. christianity] with [selectively-lukewarm pick-and-choose] responsive 'good' works depending upon one's own [idolatrous] contemporary-culture accomodation [whims] and the [equally-anti-Scriptural secular and quasi-"legal"] "preferences" [whims] of others.
False teachers and fake believers postulating and promoting such frequently happen to be college-and-university-educated persons (some ordained or closely related to ordinants), who claim or are claimed to be "Christians," "part of the body of Christ," or "members of the Christian Church."
As Satan deceptively conversed against Eve in the Garden, and against Christ later on (while even quoting/mis-quoting Bible verses during the Lord's 40-day temptation period in the desert), so such perverted irrational aberrants make all sorts of twisted excuses, misapplications, rapid-fire insinuations and accusations, plus off-on-a-tangent irrationalizations against pure Spirit-inspired doctrine rightly understood with a totally-committed-and-obedient-to-God attitude evidenced by clear and logical, sensible and honest, reasonable understanding and interpretation of the words of the genuine Holy Bible.
With that in mind, the final part of this webtract stated by 'Dan' will include pertinent and appropriate Scripture verses contramanding the heresies imposed beforehand as an effective antidote, with the heading of: The Cure.
I read this w/ care. Dan... I am glad you are conservative. I am too. I just think it is important to priorities.
Suppose I joined your campaign 100%? and we persuaded the world to go along w/ your tennants?
Wouldn' t they still need salavation #y faith in Jesus toget to heaven?
I am a man of limited hours in the day.
I am focusing on documenting the identity of the Jewish Messiah. The implications of those who do not discover and trust in Jesus...if they fail to do so are eternal.
So, tell me a#out your sharing the love of Jesusand helping people to love and trust in him.
What if the Lord wanted you to focus on this even more than other things? and you missed your calling.
What are the odds that your campaign will succeed?
I have audited your conversations at Christian events... discussing women pastors, etc. I wonder if we are tempted to major in minors. And miss telling the salvation story w/ skillful enthusiasm?
Operative word. Implication.
I praise the Lord for your love for his high standards. For using your considera#le musical genius to serve him.
May mt 6:33 prevail in all instances.
#ack to work for now my #rother.
I do love you in the Lord you know, right Dan?
I dislike arguements. Discussions. Ok.
I think it is impt.to stress common areas of agreement.
For example, the need for people to attain salvation through Jesus.
Even if for example every person I knew accepted my views on woman's proper attire, etc. Woman's role in ministry...etc. etc. If they missed trusting in Jesus, of what value are these issues?
I do support one media person whose we# page has an interesting twist for our Moslem friends. Enter Christine Darg in your search engine. She has portions of a #ook she has written avail. free on line. It is re visions Muslims have had re Jesus.
Love ya #ro,
Two men went into the temple to pray. The one a pharisee. The other a pu#lican... What prayers didthey pray? Which one received justification? What reference does this true story Jesus told have to do w/what you have written?
In your "certain degree of" paragraph, you fail to distinguish the gender things that you have distinguished prior. For example, I have seen you in short sleeves.
Even if you are certain at this point...are you open to opposing interpretations or are your views set in cement?
If an o#jective person read this...and was asked, "Which of the two attitudes does Dan portray... the attitudes held #y the two men in the story?" What would they say?
Oh...when Ruth gleaned in the field, how can you prove she wore sox and long sleeves? #oaz fell for her still. Was he sinning then?
Why does Jeremiah discuss seeking God w/ all our hearts and if we do so, that we shall surely find him. Why does an o#scure passage hint that, "If you draw near to me I will draw near to you." If a penitant sinner like the prodigal son was interrupted in his repentance to his father... why didn't the father make sure his son first made specific repentance and checked off each item of his errors in deed/attitude... then when it was complete... accept his son? GIve him a clean ro#e and party?
Was not the #rother of the penitant son more correct than the father in w/holding his presence at the welcome home party????
Hooray for the son who rejected his #rother... is that your prayer this Lord's day?
I seek to understand your premises.
How do you keep from having pride in your views? If you don't succeed, and pride remains in your heart... what are the ramifications today and on judgement day?
What makes you think you are qualified to ask for salvation for yourself? Do you list your deeds? Or are you of the radical Eph. 2 crowd?
Dan... answer w/ specificity now.
What did Jesus mean when he proported, '#lessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy." Have you consistently w/out fail always extended mercy to people who didn't meet your check list? If not, have you asked those whom you failed to extend mercy to to forgive you?
If the one man simply asks for mercy...and the other lists his attritri#utes.
Which am I? Do I #oast to the Lord that I adhere to strict laws....or cast myself on his mercy. Do you?
Does Jesus pro#e into the one's life who asked for mercy? He looks on the heart. When you note people who violate your dictates, do you look on their heart? As the Messiah did in this story?
When you arrive at the judgement seat, what will you claim when the Lord asks you "Why should I let you into my heaven?"
YOu judge repeatedly re the qualifications of various people to #ecome Christians. Who made you their judge?
Dan, come on. Are you saying wearing a T shirt is the same as going naked like that man who also attacked people who passed him #y? Prove the allegation..."Paul talked a#Out discipliing himself... including his #ody.
the statement, "all things are lawful, not all things are helpful... comes to mind.
YOu imply it is wrong to go w/out sox. DID the virgin Mary orany woman wear sox in the #i#le times? IF not, then, how can yousay it matters if anyone does now or not? Come on.
First, tell me what the elder son accused the father of doing wrong in accepting his younger #rother. So, if you were at an evangelistic meeting and someone went forward who didn't have dress, hairstyle, etc. according to your questiona#LE GUIDelines...what would you do? Go and stop the repentant needy person from going up to commit their life to the Lord? Would you also tell them they were not qualified to come to the Lord?
What does Scripture say to do first, change our lives or come for mercy and trust the Lord to tell each person whether or not they need to change certain #ehaviors? Is it the HS's jo# or yours to correct people?
I think you are a little too legalistic. And your arguments or lists of dos and don'ts are thrown out there w/out convincing evidence that they are Scriptural from my point of view.
Let me ask you this, "What percentage of people whom you have made your suggestions to have accepted them all? and what percentage interact to the extent that I DO TAKing my valua#Le time. I work 40 hours. You have 24/7 to postulate, pontificate, posture...
Dan, do you concede at all that you might overstate things? If your arguments were truely persuasive, you would have a high percentage of people who would enthusiastically see the light and accept them all.
So, what percentage acceptand implement your suggestions?
I don't feel self-righteous. I just don't accept your pre-requisites for someone coming to salvation. I am a needy person in need of forgiveness. At a certain time many will come to the Lord. So, you have scriptural evidence that people are not qualified to come to the Lord unless they line up w/ your guidelines. What if someone read your statements and agreed, "Yes, I am not qualified. So, I will not seek the Lord further." and that person walked away from faith. he was a dimly #uRNING WICK OR a #ruised reed. Do you know where this reference occurs? How does God proport to react to people in these two catagories?
I love you in the Lord and wish you would come around and remove rather than erect #arriers for those who need and seek the Lord. ...I react #ecause you stimulate my thinking. Finally...do you know that you sometimes avoid my arguments and attack me. The fallacy (Logic 101 ) is the "adhominen argunent" ie. if you can't respond to the question on the ta#le, you attack the person w/ the views you dislike or can't refute.
Of course, it is vital that people accept Jesus as Savior (i.e. Redeemer or Atoner) and Lord (i.e. Master).
Many will claim Jesus as their excuse to get into heaven, but will be rejected because, as He said:
"Not everyone who says to me 'Lord Lord' will get into heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven."
"Why do you call me 'Lord' and do not do what I tell you?"
"Go into all the earth, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you."
Without preaching the doctrine of Christ contained in the contents of His Holy Bible, and without people either wanting to hear what that content possibly is or actually is when presented to them, there can be no needed sanctification and no salvation. Babes in Christ need to grow up to maturity, and if they want to remain babes, they never were bonafide converts in the first place.
Not that everyone ends up knowing everything there is to know about Christ's doctrine in Hebrew and Greek before they die, but as much as they should know when encountering it they must be willing to adhere to and obey, to the extent that they can and do.
The pharisee bragged about his pseudo-self-righteousness, while the publican begged for mercy without giving graphic description of what he was sinful of.
This story of Jesus relates directly to the statements in my webtract that point out the presence of self-righteousness, the need for rectification, and the Atoner who can and does rectify those who want to believe and obey His doctrines.
Not only you but myself has seen me in short sleeves in the distant past. So many in our previous lurid exhibitionism (similar to the demoniac walking nude among the New-Testament-mentioned tombs) got sunburned wallowing in our ignorant body-showoff stupidity thanks to our sexually-perverted and satanically-demented culture. Maybe some of us will get and stay smart to avoid getting more scorched in the future.
Does it make any difference whether or not I am willing to change my ideas? What would be the point of that, and why do it? For what purpose? Who would benefit, or who would be harmed? Should one not dogmatically adhere to (cement-like) what is Scripture, while discarding what is unscriptural?
Who cares what other people would say as to which of the two different attitudes I have? What does that matter to them, or me? It all reminds me of that verse in the book of Job:
Job 35:5 Look at the heavens, and see; and behold the clouds, which are higher than you.
6 If you have sinned, what do you accomplish against him? And if your transgressions are multiplied, what do you do to him?
7 If you are righteous, what do you give to him; or what does he receive from your hand?
8 Your wickedness concerns a man like yourself, and your righteousness a son of man.
I suppose, if it must matter, that logical people would state that Dan is trying to convince would-become Christians to become Christians by starting off reasoning with them using a metaphysical creationist path to evangelistic persuasion.
How can you prove that Ruth did NOT wear sox and long sleeves, if such was actually the case? Got pix, vids, or text? You wrongly presume that #oaz "fell" (fell?) for her "still" without her wearing sox and/or long sleeves? Your continuing presumption continues with a errantly-implied interrogation of asking if he was thus sinning by purportedly "falling" for her while she allegedly was soxless and sleevesless or whatever.
Before you overwhelm me with rapid-fire onslaughts of compound references (like about the prodigal sons stated below) without giving me a chance to answer each one adequately to my satisfaction, is not my entire webpage posted involving seeking God the Creator and His Redeeming Atoner?
Must I put my webpage in your exact wording, and include every sundry Bible verse you can think of relating to it? Remember the limited space available in webpages; they get long anyway without adding everything you can think of to add.
Again, one thing at a time, before you compound your statements, inferences, and implied condemnation against me, which compounding makes a [donkey] out of you and does nothing to add persuasion to your premises.
As I recall, did not the returning son start off with a litany of penitance ("Father, I have sinned against etc.") before the father cut him off from continuing? Why do you suggest requiring son and father to have an extended and graphic on-the-spot listing of everything the son did and everything the father wanted? When and where did I ever suggest or indicate that I wanted that? Must Bible readers be so burdened with such non-essential all-at-once-right-now Spirit-prohibited lunacy? I guess that you the judge have been judged, yes?
Thanks but no thanks for accusing and condemning me for something I never said. Did I ever say that I wanted to or actually did a prayer lauding the elder son? Why do you revile me by insinuating that I did? Is that your inference by your accusatory question?
Are you patronizing me? Don't patronize yourself!
It's one rapid-fire succession of spiteful queried implied accusations after another, I guess. You're on a roll, so lambast away.
WHO has the pride in his views? Is it not YOU, who are pricked in the heart by strangely but notably taking my webpage to apply to yourself?
What do yours or my deeds have to do with anything? Are you trying to establish brownie-points for acceptibility? Inferring that I do in your pseudo-omniscience? Do you not perceive that I merely established a format for Christian conversion with my webpage? Obviously, if the shoe fits, you are wearing it.
Why do you crave me stating my credentials? Would that really help to convince you? As Christ and Paul would not convey letters of recommendation to pharisees, neither will I to do, nor relate to you who authorized or certified or licensed or ordained me to make Christian evangelization webpages. Remember that "Atoner" wording I used in my webpage, if you misthink that I am a self-justifier?
You, the condemnatory and self-righteous judge, speaks again.
Why don't you ask your test questions of yourself? Why don't you ask yourself why and how often and in what ways you have not been perfect according to whoever's definition? Why do you play God by requiring me and not yourself to ask for your twisted type of forgiveness relating to a checklist of items you despise?
It's a matter of degrees.
Where is the cutoff as to levels and types of sin?
At which point what is worthy of being deemed "allowable" (and which one can obviously become understandably penitent about).....contrasted with what is not worthy of being deemed "allowable" and is instead a "serious" (enough) offense one cannot become penitent about?
When it comes right down to it, whether mild or severe the offense, the eternal destiny is a Heaven of everlasting perfection for the one who is so sorry about committing the minor or major offense that he or she intends to never do the offense again...contrasted with Hellbound one who is despises the state of everlasting perfection in never-any-deviation holiness, and in no way regrets their misbehavior, indicated by them feeling neither remorse nor having any intention whatsoever of never committing the mild or severe offense again.
Second Samuel 13:18 Now she was wearing a full-length robe with long sleeves; for thus were the virgin daughters of the king traditionally clad. So his servant put her out, and bolted the door after her.
Isaiah 47:1 Come down and sit in the dust, virgin daughter of Babylon; sit on the ground without a throne, daughter of the Chaldeans! For you shall no more be called tender and delicate.
2 Take the millstones and grind meal, put off your veil, strip off your robe, uncover your LEGS, pass through the rivers.
3 Your nakedness shall be uncovered, and your shame shall be seen. I will take vengeance, and I will spare no man.
4 Our Redeemer--the LORD of hosts is his name--is the Holy One of Israel.
5 Sit in silence, and go into darkness, daughter of the Chaldeans; for you shall no more be called the mistress of kingdoms.
Jeremiah 2:25 Keep your FEET from going unshod and your throat from thirst. But you said, 'It is hopeless, for I have loved strangers, and after them I will go.'
Matthew 5:18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all [including modesty relating to decent non-mopheaded hairstyles and hairwear, long sleeves, long skirt or non-tight slacks, and sox under sandals] is accomplished.
Matthew 5:19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments [like female humans forbidden from appearing mopheaded, sleevesless, slacksless, and soxless in general public view, especially during warm weather] and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 15:3 He answered them, "And why do you transgress the commandment of God [regarding and not concerning full-time complete and reliable public modesty] for the sake of your [contemporary immodest-fashions-and-styles] tradition?
Mark 7:8 You leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the [accursed saved-by-grace-through-faith-alone, accursed public partial-immodesty] tradition of men."
Mark 7:9 And he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God, in order to keep your tradition!
Mark 7:13 thus making void the word of God through your tradition which you hand on. And many such things you do."
Luke 16:15 But he said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves [and your accursed saved-by-grace-through-faith-alone, accursed public partial-immodesty] before men, but God knows your hearts; for what is exalted among men [especially partially-indecent warm-weather mis-attire] is an abomination in the sight of God.
Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one makes a [sexually-perverted indecent] prey of you by [hedonistic pornographic] philosophy and empty deceit, according to [noxiously-obscene] human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ.
First Timothy 2:7 For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
8 I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling;
9 also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in decent apparel (particularly during warm weather in general both-gender public view), not with plaited hair or gold or pearls or costly attire
10 but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion.
11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness.
12 I allow no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve;
14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
15 Yet woman will be saved through bearing children, if she continues in faith and love and holiness, with sobriety.