XIAN: "Most casino and powerball gamblers presume (NOT "assume") that the sizeable-to-huge amounts of winning would offset the relatively-small amounts they have lost, lose, and will lose to "finally win." But such is not the case, being that the actual probability of them continuing to lose and never win is overwhelmingly great. Instead, we wait when God wants us to wait, move when God wants us to move, and prepare beforehand for the moment and circumstances of fulfilling payoff that will and does come.

One difference between the wise and the foolish? The wise assumes that if he runs a red stoplight, he might get caught by a cop or reported on 911 and inconvenienced with a fine, blemished police record, and/or intersection accident. The fool presumes that if he runs a red stoplight, he might get away with it. Or selfishly ignores all else except his own territorial belligerence or irresponsibility-caused late-for-an-appointment impatience.

So as an atheist, you infer that Nothing created Everything?"

Athigoof: "I never said those exact words."

XIAN: "Don't get legalistically nitpicky to me. Of course I realize that you never stated those particular words. But you obviously infer that with your no-Creator-God atheistic premise, don't you?"

Athigoof: "You should not have attributed supposed Deity to your word 'Nothing' by Capitalizing It."

XIAN: "You worship that nothing-created-everything presumption as your absurd superstitious irreligious religion then?"

Athigoof: "I merely am proud of the fact that I assert that I simply do not know how nor why you fabricate the illusion of a "creation" "created" by "God" -- and I also self-aggrandize myself by declaring that I do not want to find out."

XIAN: "What you want and what you are going to continue to encounter from me are two very-different things. I am not "fabricating" anything - I am not into stitching, sewing, tatting, weaving, nor hardanger. There is NO "illusion" as to what in fact does actually exist."

Athigoof: "Are you forcing me to violate my desire to not discover the how nor the why of what you call "created" phenomena and entities . . . and thus stifling MY free-speech desire to not talk about it anymore?"

XIAN: "You voluntarily entered into this free-style debate with me, and pertaining to what either can or should thereafter follow, there are four options:

(1) You can continue this dialogue with me
(2) We can both say nothing whatsoever to each other anymore
(3) I can walk away from you
(4) You can walk away from me

What is it going to be?

You belligerently trying to stifle MY free speech (regardless of yours) reminds me of these Bible verses:

De 3:26 But the LORD was angry with me on your account, and would not respond to me; and the LORD said to me, 'Let it suffice you; speak no more to me of this matter.

Jos 7:12 Therefore the people of Israel cannot stand before their enemies; they turn their backs before their enemies, because they have become a thing for destruction. I will be with you no more, unless you destroy the devoted things from among you.
Jud 10:13 Yet you have rejected me and served other gods; therefore I will deliver you no more.
2Sa 7:10 And I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may reside in their own place, and be disturbed no more; and violent men shall afflict them no more, as formerly
1Ch 17:9 And I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may reside in their own place, and be disturbed no more; and violent men shall waste them no more, as formerly
Es 1:19 If it please the king, let a royal order go forth from him, and let it be written among the laws of the Persians and the Medes so that it may not be altered, that Vashti is to come no more before King Ahasuerus; and let the king give her royal position to another who is better than she.
Job 7:8 The eye of him who sees me will see me no more; while your eyes are upon me, I shall be gone. [Please do NOT misconstrue this verse to imply the heretical presumption of the possibility of no-judgment-in-resurrection body/spirit/soul complete annihilation]
Job 20:9 The eye which saw him will see him no more, nor will his place any more see him. [Please do NOT misconstrue this verse to imply the heretical presumption of the possibility of no-judgment-in-resurrection body/spirit/soul complete annihilation]
Job 32:15 They are discomfited, they answer no more; they have not a word to say.
Job 32:16 And shall I wait, because they do not speak, because they stand there, and answer no more?
Ps 10:18 to do justice to the fatherless and the oppressed, so that man who is of the earth may strike terror no more.
Ps 28:5 Because they do not regard the works of the LORD, or the work of his hands, he will break them down and build them up no more.
Ps 37:10 Yet a little while, and the wicked will be no more; though you look well at his place, he will not be there.
Ps 37:36 Again I passed by, and wow, he was no more; though I sought him, he could not be found.
Ps 39:13 Look away from me, that I may know gladness, before I depart and be no more!" [Please do NOT misconstrue this verse to imply the heretical presumption of the possibility of no-judgment-in-resurrection body/spirit/soul complete annihilation]
Ps 104:35 Let sinners be consumed from the earth, and let the wicked be no more! Bless the LORD, Oh my soul! Praise the LORD!
Ps 140:10 Let burning coals fall upon them! Let them be cast into pits, no more to rise!
Pr 10:25 When the tempest passes, the wicked is no more, but the righteous is established forever.
Pr 12:7 The wicked are overthrown and are no more, but the house of the righteous will stand.
Ec 9:6 Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and they have no more for ever any share in all that is done under the sun. [Please do NOT misconstrue this verse to imply the heretical presumption of the possibility of no-judgment-in-resurrection body/spirit/soul complete annihilation]
Isa 1:13 Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and sabbath and the calling of assemblies: I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.
Isa 10:20 In that day the remnant of Israel and the survivors of the house of Jacob will no more lean upon him who smote them, but will lean upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Isa 32:5 The fool will no more be called noble, nor the knave said to be honorable.
Isa 33:19 You will see no more the insolent people, the people of an obscure speech which you cannot comprehend, stammering in a tongue which you cannot understand.
Isa 54:9 For this is like the days of Noah to me: as I swore that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth [Hey, Noah's Flood DID actually happen!], so I have sworn that I will not be angry with you and will not rebuke you.
Isa 60:19 The sun shall be no more your light by day, nor for brightness shall the moon give light to you by night; but the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your God will be your glory. [Please do not misconstrue this verse to presume that there will be no sunrise nor moonlight tomorrow]
Isa 60:20 Your sun shall no more go down, nor your moon withdraw itself; for the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your days of mourning shall be ended.
Isa 65:20 No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the child shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed. [Please do not presume that every single child on Earth will live exactly 100 years, nor that all sinners shall live exactly 100 years. God did say in Genesis 6:3 the following: 'Then the LORD said, "My spirit shall not stay in man forever, for he is flesh, but his days shall be a hundred and twenty years."']
Jer 8:5 "Why then has this people turned away in perpetual backsliding? They hold fast to deceit, they refuse to return."
Jer 9:6 "Heaping oppression upon oppression, and deceit upon deceit, they refuse to know me," says the LORD.
Jer 25:28 "And if they refuse to accept the cup from your hand to drink, then you shall say to them, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts: You must drink!
Jer 50:39 "Therefore wild beasts shall live with hyenas in Babylon, and ostriches shall live in her; she shall be peopled no more forever, nor inhabited for all generations. [Please do not presume that Babylon is not mentioned in the book of Revelation]
Jer 51:64 and say, 'Thus shall Babylon sink, to rise no more, because of the evil that I am bringing upon her.'" Thus far are the words of Jeremiah. [Please do not presume that Babylon is not mentioned in the book of Revelation]
Eze 2:5 And whether they hear or refuse to hear (for they are a rebellious house) they will know that there has been a prophet among them.
Eze 2:7 And you shall speak my words to them, whether they hear or refuse to hear; for they are a rebellious house.
Eze 3:11 And go, get you to the exiles, to your people, and say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD'; whether they hear or refuse to hear."
Eze 3:27 But when I speak with you, I will open your mouth, and you shall say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD'; he that will hear, let him hear; and he that will refuse to hear, let him refuse; for they are a rebellious house.
Eze 13:23 therefore you shall no more see delusive visions nor practice divination; I will deliver my people out of your hand. Then you will know that I am the LORD."
Eze 26:21 I will bring you to a dreadful end, and you shall be no more; though you be sought for, you will never be found again, says the Lord GOD." [Please do NOT misconstrue this verse to imply the heretical presumption of the possibility of no-judgment-in-resurrection body/spirit/soul complete annihilation]
Eze 27:36 The merchants among the peoples hiss at you; you have come to a dreadful end and shall be no more for ever.'" [Please do NOT misconstrue this verse to imply the heretical presumption of the possibility of no-judgment-in-resurrection body/spirit/soul complete annihilation]
Eze 28:19 All who know you among the peoples are appalled at you; you have come to a dreadful end and shall be no more for ever." [Please do NOT misconstrue this verse to imply the heretical presumption of the possibility of no-judgment-in-resurrection body/spirit/soul complete annihilation]

Ho 1:6 She conceived again and bore a daughter. And the LORD said to him, "Call her name Not pitied, for I will no more have pity on the house of Israel, to forgive them at all. [Contrast that with the following: Romans 11:26 . . . and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"]
Am 5:2 "Fallen, no more to rise, is the virgin Israel; forsaken on her land, with none to raise her up."

[Contrast that with the following: Romans 11:26 . . . and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"]
[Consider the apparent confusing contradictions within the following verses taken as a whole:

Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world will see me no more, but you will see me; because I live, you will live also.
Joh 16:10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no more
Joh 16:16 A little while, and you will see me no more; again a little while, and you will see me.
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in thy name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.]

Ro 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth.

Ac 4:17 But in order that it may spread no further among the people, let us warn them to speak no more to any one in this Name."
Ac 8:39 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught up Philip; and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing.
Ac 13:34 And as for the fact that He raised Him from the dead, no more to return to corruption, He spoke in this way, 'I will give you the holy and sure blessings of David.'
Ac 20:25 sorrowing most of all because of the word he had spoken, that they should see his face no more. And they brought him to the ship.
Ro 14:13 Then let us no more pass judgment on one another [make atheists no more accuse Christians], but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.
1Co 15:34 Come to your right mind, and sin no more. For some have no knowledge of God. I say this to your shame.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more."
Heb 10:17 then he adds, "I will remember their sins and their misdeeds no more."

How can He "not remember their sins anymore" if He clearly is mentioning them as sins?

Athigoof: "I take pride in declaring my understandable ignorance but intellectual honesty in not assuming your presumption about the existence of a Creator."

XIAN: "Which attitude of yours reminds me of Romans 1:22 = Claiming to be wise, they became fools"

Athigoof: "Are you calling me a "fool?"

XIAN: "If you really misbelieve in your heart that there is no Creator God, the following verses of necessity and by default pertain to you:

Ps 14:1 To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they do abominable works, there is none who does good.
Ps 53:1 To the choirmaster: according to Mahalath. A Maskil of David. The fool says in his (or her) heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, doing abominable iniquity; there is none who does good.
Plainly, atheists are not "good moral people pleasant to trust and to be around."

Athigoof: "That is not complimentary. It is discriminatory, it degrades, and it humiliates me. Does nothing for my self-esteem."

XIAN: "Of course it is not complimentary but is discriminatory, and meant to be. My statement of the Biblical definition of an atheist being a fool does not degrade nor humiliate nor deprive you of self-esteem. You do that to yourself by declaring yourself an atheist and thus being deemed a fool."

Athigoof: "I try to consider all logical scientific options, but yet have not arrogantly and dogmatically boasted to have found an answer."

XIAN: "Which reminds me of the verses:

2Ti 3:1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress.
2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
3 inhuman [genocidal school shooters], implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, haters of good,
4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
5 holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people. [or shoot them yourself if you happen to have a military or S.W.A.T.-team assault rifle with you?]
6 For among them are those who make their way into households and capture weak women [sucking up adulterous soap operas on TV], burdened with sins and swayed by various impulses,
7 who will listen to anybody and can never arrive at a knowledge of the truth.
8 As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of corrupt mind and counterfeit faith;
9 but they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.

XIAN: "Do you believe that physical environmental entities around you actually exist, or do you presume that they either only might exist or that we only think they exist?"

Athigoof: "Who knows?"

XIAN: "Here is what I think is a .44 Magnum revolver - one of the world's most powerful handguns. And here are what I think are .44 Magnum hollow-point bullets. As I am now loading all six of these bullets into what I think is a gun, I am now thinking - as I point what I think is your head - that I will soon pull what I think is the trigger and blow your head "clean off" as Clint Eastwood would put it."

Athigoof: "Could you substitute poking me with what you might think is that pencil instead?"

XIAN: "Certainly. But why did you mention a "pencil?" Do you think that this "pencil" exists? What makes you think that? You see it? Are you sure? You feel it? Are you merely dreaming that up? How come you even called it a "pencil" in the first place?"

Athigoof: "Do not poke me with what I have called and assume to be a pencil."

XIAN: "You presume that this pencil - as you called it - created itself by itself because it supposedly all of a sudden wanted to?"

Athigoof: "Probably not."

XIAN: "Can you be more definitive?"

Athigoof: "Yes. The pencil did not create itself, but was manufactured by one or more humans."

XIAN: "Are you sure the creators of this pencil were humans?"

Athigoof: "What are you getting at? Why would you say that?"

XIAN: "We first have to ascertain if I said that, then afterward we might get to the why of it. Besides, I said it because I can, and moreover I wanted to do what I can.
You still essentially imply that nothing created everything, and so there was no Creator who created the natural resources this pencil was made from nor human creators who assembled it into a pencil?

That reminds me of the verses:

Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father in me; or else believe me for the sake of the works themselves.
Ro 1:20 Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse

Athigoof: "So I am without excuse for deliberately being a closed-minded ignoramus. WHY do you constantly quote from the Bible?"

XIAN: "I do not "constantly" quote from the Bible, but instead I quote from it frequently. Why did you call this book a "Bible?"

Athigoof: "Because I can read the label on it."

XIAN: "Can" do it, or instead "did" do it? Are you therefore assuming that this book is some kind of authoritative source of information, that you agreed to call it a "Bible?" If you did not believe it was an authoritative source of information, why would you go along with calling it a "Bible?" Why even object to the mention of "God" if you do not believe there is in fact a "God" to not believe in?

It reminds me of the verse:

Mt 27:11 Now Jesus stood before the governor; and the governor asked Him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" Jesus said, "You have said so."
Mr 15:2 And Pilate asked Him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" And He answered him, "You have said so."
Lu 23:3 And Pilate asked Him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" And He answered him, "You have said so."

Athigoof: "Most people do not believe that the Bible is not true, but merely allegories, tales, myths, and legends which never actually happened."

XIAN: "Why pass the buck to other people who you claim do not believe it. Speak for yourself. PROVE that the Bible is not true."

Athigoof: "Prove that it is true."

XIAN: "Prove right now, within the next five seconds, that radio waves, radioactivity, and oxygen exist."

Athigoof: "It would take more than five seconds, and I would need detectors."

XIAN: "You have not proved they exist by your mere words. How would I know for sure that your detectors would actually be detecting what you claim they are detecting?

Perhaps the flashing lights and needles and dials would be reacting to something else, or spontaneously for no cause at all? Do you presume that this pencil always existed, that it created itself by itself, by random hit-and-miss chance? Did your car, of its own presumed free will and desire, evolutionarily create itself from various auto-store parts over millions of years from slimy primordial goo, and at random - whenever and wherever and however?"

Athigoof: "Who's to say? Why wonder if it did or did not?"

XIAN: "Are you inferring that if the car did not create itself, it either might or does not exist?"

Athigoof: "Even God would have had to be created, if everything had a beginning."

XIAN: "Who says that everything had a beginning? Is not, by the very definition of the term: "God," the given assumption that He had no beginning?

That reminds me of the verse:

1Co 15:27 "For God has put all things in subjection under his feet." But when it says, "All things are put in subjection under him," it is plain that He is excepted who put all things under him."

Athigoof: "There you go again ... quoting from that book in your hand which is labeled "The Holy Bible!"

XIAN: "Get used to it. Live with it."

Athigoof: "Most of what you claim as factual truth, in relation to who you call "God," comes from a Bible written by word-of-mouth fallible men who accumulated mistakes upon mistakes during re-copying."

XIAN: "You are mis-assuming that textual errors were made and perpetuated."

Athigoof: "There are so many English translations discrepant against one another."

XIAN: "The Bible was not originally written in the defectively-changeable language called English."

Athigoof: "In your opinion. I suppose you'd consider me prudish for not exploring http://baretoplay.tripod.com/meet4sex.htm then?"

XIAN: "Whatever. What is the basic intent of your heart? Of the source of that particular webpage? Simply because something is my opinion does not make it wrong. Though everyone has their own opinion, they do not have a right to obnoxiously harass anyone even one time or repeatedly by imposing an anti-Biblical opinion on them, nor misconstrue Scriptually-legitimate communication(s) conveyed to them as "spam" nor misconsider it "abuse." My opinion is better than your opinion."

Athigoof: "You have a high regard of yourself and your religious views."

XIAN: "Irrelevant. Beside the point. So do you: of your always-off-on-rapid-fire tangents without waiting for the answers, and incessant/relentless, beating-around-the-bush, non-substantiated, doubts and questionings."

Athigoof: "You claim to know it all. I claim to search for answers."

XIAN: "Scripture states:

1Co 13:12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall understand fully, even as I have been fully understood.
Php 3:12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect; but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me His own.
1Jo 2:14 I write to you, fathers, because you know Him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God resides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.
1Jo 2:20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all know everything.
1Jo 2:21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and know that no lie is of the truth.
1Jo 2:29 If you know that He is righteous, you may be sure that every one who does right is born of Him.
1Jo 3:1 See what love the Father has given us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know Him.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, we are God's children now; it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when He appears we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
1Jo 3:5 You know that He appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin.
1Jo 3:14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love resides in death. [as is the case of anti-religious-right revilers, slanderers, accusators, and blasphemers]
1Jo 3:15 Any one who hates his brother [as is the case of anti-religious-right revilers, slanderers, accusators, and blasphemers] is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
1Jo 3:16 By this we know love, that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
1Jo 3:19 By this we shall know that we are of the truth, and reassure our hearts before Him
1Jo 3:24 All who keep His commandments reside in Him, and He in them. And by this we know that He resides in us, by the Spirit which He has given us.
1Jo 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God
1Jo 4:6 We are of God. Whoever knows God listens to us, and he who is not of God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
1Jo 4:8 He who does not love does not know God; for God is love.
1Jo 4:13 By this we know that we reside in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His own Spirit.
1Jo 4:16 So we know and believe the love God has for us. God is love, and he who resides in love resides in God, and God resides in him.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey His commandments.
1Jo 5:13 I write this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
1Jo 5:15 And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of Him.
1Jo 5:18 We know that any one born of God does not sin, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
1Jo 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world is in the power of the evil one.
1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, to know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life."

Being that 21 December 2012 - the Doomsday Date on the Mayan Calendar - ended without celestial and/or terrestial catastrophe and calamity, we now know why that lying south-of-the-border tribe (perhaps also apocryphal-mystic Nostry) became extinct.

If any of their surviving offspring are still around, it would behoove them to re-calculate and re-boot with a civilized Judeo-Christian timeframe in mind.

While we're at it, may the great spirit brood over buffalo land.

HAI-yah, HAI-yah, HAI-yah . . .

and all peyote peace-pipe smokers stay at least 25 feet away from all [cultic-religion public-school-teacher] teepees, and give up trying to encircle the [educrat] wagons.